I am a longtime resident of Choto Fields Community. My property backs up to Northshore. Please vote NO to rezone the property at the Choto Northshore roundabout. We do not want a Beer Garden there, especially with live music! As it is now I can hear the music from Don Gallos into the evening and also the sanitation services dumping dumpsters either very early in the am or very late in the pm. Northshore can't handle the traffic we have now. This has been a slippery slope since Weigels was approved. We live our here for a reason and you are taking away our peaceful surroundings with every expansion since Weigels. IT'S ENOUGH!
I am a resident of Choto Fields subdivision. I have just learned that there is a proposal to place a Beer Garden on the vacant lot at Northshore and Choto. I consider this to be detrimental to our property values and to our family-oriented neighborhood. I urge you to vote against it.
I write to you all in reference to the proposed rezoning/use of a now vacant lot at the intersection of Choto Road and Northshore Drive in West Knox County.
My home/property is located in the Choto Fields subdivision across Northshore Drive from this lot. 12625 Coral Reef Circle to be exact I have lived here for eleven years. I've seen the area grow quite a bit In that time with new businesses. I believe those businesses have had a mostly positive impact to our community, although traffic and noise do at times pose issues for nearby homes and neighborhoods. Especially those working and raising families with small school-age children like myself.
I cannot express strongly enough my desire to keep a "beer garden" out of my community. I work in a field where I see the carnage alcohol metes out in communities (I am a criminal defense attorney and have handled thousands of cases involving alcohol). Everyday people are killed and maimed as a result of drinking and driving. Sadly, it all too often victimizes those innocent people that never had the choice to drink and drive. They are the moms, dads, brothers, sisters, children, grandchildren, and grandparents going about their day, until someone makes the decision to get behind the wheel after drinking. By allowing this type of establishment to be placed there, the danger will be realized soon enough. Unfortunately, the planning commission and county commission won't be involved then. It will be left to the first responders, hospitals, funeral homes, and courtrooms.
It scares me to death to think that my children may have to grow up with a bar behind their home. Wondering when someone may plow through our backyard because they had a few too many at the beer joint next door. Or maybe we'd be in a position to try dodge a drunk driver coming home from school or karate that evening. This thing would be in an area where the roads are still on the smaller side. There is no where to go from any direction for miles on these roads should you meet head-on a drunk driver. Other than to a trauma center at the end of the ordeal. I hear it is a proposed that the establishment be operating on Sundays well into the evening. Someone may get the chance to take out whole families on their way to or from church. I also really look forward to the fact that these places really don't start to get good and loud until well into the night (and when school aged children are asleep). I can't wait wait to stay up until the early morning with live music blaring a couple hundred feet away from my house. Wondering when it will end or will my children be able to sleep through the night. Maybe that's the point of putting something like this in a community filled with homes: you create enough anxiety with its presence and some may seek refuge in the bottle it peddles.
This proposal paints quite the picture. I pray it is vivid enough to make the right decision. Do not allow his lot to be zoned for an establishment that's sole purpose is to sell alcoholic beverages for onsite consumption.
10-D-20-RZ Greg (37922), September 3, 2020 at 8:33 AM
I am a resident at 12525 Coral Reef Circle. I am writing to express my opposition to the zoning request for the southwest corner of Choto and Northshore. I am opposing this for the following reasons:The type of business being considered presents a significant noise concern for the surrounding neighborhoods. The open air type environment of a beer garden with music into the late night hours will be a nuisance for all of those residents that choose to live in this area for the peace and quiet.The added traffic in the area is not well supported by the infrastructure. Traffic is already stretched to the limit in this area with too many developments being added with no improvements to the traffic flow.
I almost lack the words to say how much I oppose a beer garden with live music at the Choto roundabout.
Please act in the interest of the families in the area and veto this. The idea of loud music and over-the-limit folks driving home chills my blood. Diana Joubert
I would like to ask you to please vote again the Rezoning of the lot at the end of Choto Road at the roundabout. We feel this would have a very negative impact on the current residents of area. This area is a very family friendly residential area. Thank you for your help in this matter.
I am opposed to the suggestion of a beer garden at choto.
I live in Lewisbrooke. Residential areas surround the empty lot at choto and I do not support the additional traffic, alcohol distribution business or late operating hours of such a business.
We occasionally walk from our home to don gallo to eat and the thoughts of a business so close that solely operated to sale alcohol has potential safety threats to my family.
I am writing to strongly oppose the rezoning of the area on concord road to allow for high density low income apartments. I am also strongly against the beer garden. We have young children in the house and we are very close to the intersection. Low income apartments and bars are a terrible idea for that area and would be a tremendous nuisance to say the least. This is a residential area and should remain that way.
10-D-20-RZ Charlotte September 7, 2020 at 10:42 AM
as a nearby resident of the area at choto & northshore, I am asking you please do not rezone this area for the bar being proposed. This area is a nice, residential, family homes area.
There are three restaurants nearby that provide alcohol, plus convenience stores. There is no need to put a bar that will not only increase traffic but dangerous traffic and loud music in a normally quiet area.
Our family would like to express opposition to the rezoning of said property in our community. Those who live in our community have paid thousands and millions of dollars to build or buy homes in this rural area. We did so because we wanted a rural setting to raise our families. If we had wanted a commercial life for convince we would have chosen property around the Kingston pike or Northshore/Pellissippi area.
Currently we have 2 family restaurants within 100 yards of this property requesting rezoning that sells beer plus a market that sells beer. Then a mile further down Choto Rd.is a family restaurant that sells alcohol. About 3 miles down Northshore we have the beautiful Lakeside Grill and Bar. For the area we have plenty of opportunities to buy alcohol if desired. This property sits right on top of Choto Mills and several new small subdivisions.
Please consider our families and our investments we have made in our rural area. This is totally not a business we need in our community.
I respectfully ask that you vote against the rezoning of the lot located at the corner of Northshore Dr. and Choto Road. Below are several reasons for my request.
As you know, this property still falls under the covenants of the adjacent neighborhood, Choto Mills, and is considered part of the neighborhood.
Given that there is an intent to build a beer garden, the location is within the 300ft restriction of being located too close to residential homes. A beer license would not likely be approved. This opens the property back up to other options. One would be the pain clinic that we were against in the past.
The traffic is very dense already in the area. Since this is a beer garden that will not be serving food, I would be concerned with impaired drivers in this residential area.
Thank you for your service. I do, again, ask that you vote against the proposed rezoning of this property.
I'm writing this email to let you know my opposition to the rezoning request for the roundabout at Northshore and Choto. I'm sure you've already heard all the reasons to vote against this request so I won't belabor the point or take up more of your time. Please vote No on this request.
10-D-20-RZ Donald (37922), September 22, 2020 at 2:19 PM
We live in the Shady Glen subdivision on S. Northshore Dr. We use S. Northshore Dr. and Choto Rd. and the roundabout every day.
We are opposed to the rezoning of this property at the corner of S. Northshore Dr. and Choto Rd. for the Following reasons:
A beer garden is not an appropriate business for this residential area.
S. Northshore Dr. needs widened or expanded before there is any more development in this area. There is already too much traffic for the size of the roads in this area.
The Greenway needs extended from the Cove at Concord Park all the way to Harvey Road before there is any more development (residential or commercial) in this area to remove bicycles and pedestrians from the S. Northshore Dr. roadway.
A beer garden is not an appropriate business for this residential area.
I live in Lake Cove Subdivision very close to this property up for rezoning. I have some concerns about traffic, suitability, and noise. This parcel is adjacent to a family neighborhood and the proposed use does not fit in with a family friendly environment. Traffic backs up at the traffic circle on Choto and Northshore now and I believe that an influx of drivers will exacerbate the situation, especially if the drivers are all exiting an establishment at the same time, i.e., closing time. As there are many families in this area, outdoor music is not compatible to the welfare of residents who wish to sleep at a reasonable hour or even watch television or listen to their own choice of music without constant interference from an uninvited source.
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Alvin September 30, 2020 at 11:54 AM
can this be put off till next month ?, or leave this zone as is.SORRY I DO NOT DO virtual meeting.
signs was posted 9/28/2020, the community need to participate and have time to no water main is on Zion Lane Fire hydrant in over 1000 feet from this.
The community needs more time to be made aware of the proposed rezoning and to provide comments.
The Covid-19 concerns requiring online meetings make it difficult for the community to participate in the public hearings.
If a "group home" can be permitted as a "use on review" in the A (Agricultural) zone district this may have negative impacts on the surrounding community and adjacent property owners.
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Christopher October 4, 2020 at 6:26 PM
Our neighborhood, Huntcrest subdivision, was just made aware by a neighbor of the rezoning request for 3430 Zion Lane off of Ball Road. The last time this request was tabled because the neighbors and surrounding areas do not believe that this type of business should be set up with surrounding children, homes, bus stops for school, daycare?s. We understand second chances, we understand the need for a facility, but for safety sake this is not the place to have one. This is purely for a residential home owner to turn their lot into a business to make money. And in no way is safe.I was a correction officer, who worked with people just coming out of prison or we?re on their last chance before they went to prison. For many the transition was not easy and many ended up back in prison. This is not the place in our neighborhood for this.
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Jennifer October 4, 2020 at 11:08 PM
On 2/9/2017 File # 2-A-17-SP Agenda Item #40 you, DENNIED the rezoning to OB (O?ce, Medical & Related Services), consistent with the denial recommendation for the associated sector plan amendment. Approval of OB zoning for this site would be a spot rezoning, giving the applicant development rights that neighboring property owners do not have. The residential zoning pa. ern is well established in this area and should be maintained. Also, the current PR zoning and density allows reasonable use of the property. There is no justi?cation for changing either the plan designation or zoning for this particular property. View Attachment
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Christopher October 5, 2020 at 8:14 AM
I live at 3124 Champions Trail Lane off of Ball Road; Since this is a virtual meeting, do we have the ability to voice our concern at the 10/8th meeting?Our neighborhood, Huntcrest subdivision, was just made aware by a neighbor of the rezoning request for 3430 Zion Lane off of Ball Road. The last time this request was tabled because the neighbors and surrounding areas do not believe that this type of business should be set up with surrounding children, homes, bus stops for school, daycare?s. We understand second chances, we understand the need for a facility, but for safety sake this is not the place to have one. This is purely for a residential home owner to turn their lot into a business to make money. And in no way is safe.I was a correction officer, who worked with people just coming out of prison or we?re on their last chance before they went to prison. For many the transition was not easy and many ended up back in prison. This is not the place in our neighborhood for this.
This letter serves as our formal notice of objection to the proposed zoning and use submission for the property at the SE corner of the roundabout adjoining Northshore and Choto roads.
It is our understanding that the proposed zoning and use for this property is for an establishment that will operate in similar fashion to the "Bearden Biergarten" on Kingston Pike. We strongly object to this use for several key reasons:
Access to the property would be a significant challenge, as roundabout traffic has increased dramatically due to major increases in housing development on all sides of the designated property. Traffic would have to slow significantly to turn into the property, as well as traffic that would be entering the roadway from the establishment. This would create potential hazards for pedestrian and vehicular traffic at high volume times of day.
Based on the size of the property, it is hard to envision how adequate parking for such a facility would be available. Overflow parking issues, ingress and egress (as stated above), and traffic flow would be heavily impacted due to the size of the property.
Consumers and residents who are seeking a location for alcohol consumption have viable options already, with the presence of Don Gallo's and Johnny Brusco's restaurants within easy walking distance of this site. Unlike the proposed site, both of these restaurants are housed within a broader strip center off of the main roads, with easy access and adequate parking capacity for both locations. It is not difficult to imagine that patrons of the new proposed property would seek to park in the strip center parking lot, creating immediate capacity issues for all businesses in the area.
Our neighborhood is immediately adjacent to this property, and would suffer further from establishments with later operating hours ? particular those with outdoor seating and alcohol consumption. With the current level of development (from Weigel's and Don Gallo's in particular), conversations and music are easily heard, as well as occasional noise from Weigel's such as shouting, delivery truck operations, and large trash dumpster servicing. This has a material impact on our neighbors and eventually, property values.
We strongly recommend a vote AGAINST approval of this application. Thank you for your consideration.
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Stephanie October 5, 2020 at 6:05 PM
Is there a petition to sign to protest the rezoning of a men's home right across from our neighborhood on Zion Lane, off Ball Road.We were just made aware of the plans to put men straight out of prison, with substance abuse and/or mental illness right in the middle of a residential area with families & kids getting on & off the school bus every day.Why is this even a possibility or option in this area? Organizations & Homes such as this should be on private property, away from busy areas.My father actually ran a men's home just like this in Corpus Christi, Texas and in Pikeville, TN. Each time, they were on a gated property, not allowed to leave the property unless with a staff chaperone, and they had enough property to not be close or see any of their neighbors' homes.It's not a matter of being insensitive to what they're wanting to accomplish, and getting assistance to transition back into society. The issue is that they're so close to potential temptations to break into homes/cars, or worse. That's our fear as a community.Thank you for listening. Please consider finding a property elsewhere, away from residential areas where they really can find more peace & serenity in their environment.
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Pam October 5, 2020 at 11:15 PM
I?m requesting that you deny the rezoning application for 3430 Zion Lane, Knoxville, TN. The justification for the rezoning is not apparent today anymore than it was apparent in 2017.Thank you for any and all considerations of my request to deny the rezoning of 3430 Zion Lane. View Attachment
As President of Choto Meadows Subdivision and resident at 1628 Choto Meadows Lane, I strongly echo your staff recommendations to deny amending the Southwest Count Sector Plan and to deny C-N rezoning of the 1-acre parcel southeast of the intersection of Choto Rd and S Northshore (the roundabout), which was filed by Daniel D. and Kimberly Overbey.
I was told that the planned use was for a "beer garden" (i.e., craft beer), similar to one in Bearden. I oppose this amendment and rezoning on grounds that it would (1) degrade the quality of life of surrounding residents, (2) degrade property values due to excessive noise late into the evening, (3) increase traffic at and near the Choto-Northshore round-about, and (4) cause safety concerns regarding drunk driving.
The existing curb cut into the property is only 175 feet from the crosswalk at Choto and Northshore. This leaves inadequate space for traffic entering and leaving the property. The expectation of 419 daily vehicle trips would be a substantial increase to already greater than expected vehicle traffic at the round-about and down Choto Road, many of which may be under the influence of alcohol. Not only does this impact residents, it also impacts access by the Rural/Metro station in Choto Markets.
Furthermore, I would like to direct the Board's attention to: Ord. No. O-13-6-102, ? 1, 7-22-13 Sec. 4-13. - Distance rules for the sale of beer for consumption on premises.
No person shall sell beer for on-premises consumption within 300 feet of a residential dwelling, measured by the straight-line method from building to building?
While the planned location of the intended structure has not been disclosed, there appears to be approximately 25 homes within 300 ft of the property center. My estimate includes:
5-7 in Choto Fields 5-7 in Choto Mills1 in Montgomery Cove1 on the adjacent Goodman property
Clearly, it is inappropriate to amend the sector plan and rezone for commercial use. Please, deny amending the Southwest Count Sector Plan and deny C-N rezoning.
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Summer October 6, 2020 at 11:21 AM
It has been brought to my neighborhoods attention that a home for men is wanting to open near us. We are strongly against this. Although I agree that the men deserve help, we would prefer it not be so close to our homes and children. As a mother of two adopted children who have drug addict birth parents I know first hand how hard it can be for people to change. Please consider building the home for men else where.
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Curt October 6, 2020 at 5:34 PM
While there may indeed be a need for this facility, this is not the proper location. The safety of the surrounding schools and families must take precedent is a situation such as this. View Attachment
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Rob October 6, 2020 at 9:30 PM
Please consider my and all other concerned citizen's opinions on this issue. We love our residences/community and would hate to have them affected by a poorly placed rehabilitation center. The residences/community, as well as the individuals that the rehab center is being proposed for, would be better off if the proposed center were planned and constructed at an alternate location. View Attachment
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Megan October 7, 2020 at 8:32 AM
I strongly urge you to deny the plans for the addiction treatment facility on Zion Lane. This is a predominately residential area with a high volume of traffic as it is. The approval of this facility would result in even more traffic in such a congested area. (Zion Lane is located off Ball Road, which is home to six subdivisions.)While I am in no way against treatment facilities, I do believe that they do not belong in residential areas. Please take into consideration the large number of children who live in this area...children who play in their neighborhoods, children who play in their front yards, children who wait at bus stops for school each morning...please consider their safety.
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Deserie (37931), October 7, 2020 at 1:51 PM
Hello, I am a resident of Huntcrest Subdivision and I am writing to express my concern about the proposed rezoning of 3430 Zion Lane since it within close proximity of my residence at 3112 Champions Trail Lane. The proposed rezoning seems out of place for such area which is predominately zoned residential with 5 large residential subdivisions along Ball Rd. across from the property proposed for rezoning. The subdivisions include Foxfield, Huntcrest, Miller?s Plantation, Maple Valley, and Shadowbrook, which are home to hundreds of residents who bought homes in this area because it was predominately residential zoning which lends to a sense of security and privacy.Furthermore, the proposed home for those trying to get back on their feet does not appear appropriately placed in an area with no immediate work or transportation opportunity. This is worrisome to residents of the area, with concern for foot traffic and crime likely to increase with so many homes close as an immediate opportunity to theft.I appreciate your consideration to deny the request for rezoning on this case, or at a minimum to postpone approval to allow time for residents of the area to be notified to have an opportunity to speak their opinion. This decision will affect our personal home life, and it is fitting to give our community time to voice each opinion on this matter.
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Brittany October 7, 2020 at 6:48 PM
hello, I am completely against this rezoning for home for men on zion lane off of ball road. This is absurd when there are small children and children in general living in this area and this area still being somewhat rural. I live on Ball road and I will not tolerate this type of person near me or my family. NO ONE WANTS TO LIVE NEXT TO A JUNKIE OR SOMEONE WHO JUST GOT OUT OF PRISION. This is something that could be done but not in a rural area! I am sorry but where I live there is plenty of land before you can see my house and if any type of male or unknown figure on my property will not be welcome and will be greeted with several types of security. I OPPOSE this 100000000%
Good Evening, it has been brought to our attention that a beer permit is being requested on 1615 Choto RD. I am not sure if you are aware that there are multiple residences with families less than 300 feet away.It is my understanding that 300 feet from family housing is the minimum distance that a business selling beer can operate. Seth Garfield is one of these affected home owners who opposes this Beer Permit owning a home less than 300 ft from this lot. If necessary Seth is motivated to be present at your board meeting to oppose this permit.
Please reply to all with the location and time and Seth will make arrangements along with others who are available.
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Amber October 7, 2020 at 8:44 PM
I am emailing you because I have concerns about the rezoning at Zions lane. I live on Ball rd right next to Zions lane the facility would be really close to my house. It would be right behind my house. I am a 20 year old and I live at home with my mom and my other 2 sisters. We live alone because my dad passed away. If the facility becomes a home for men that is not guarded/ secured and the men can just come and go as they please I would never feel safe out in my yard or in my home. I hope you consider what I am saying.
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Andrea October 7, 2020 at 9:49 PM
Since I am unable to be at the MPC meeting, I would like to voice my opinion on the rezoning. I feel that this is an unsafe location for this type of facility, and is more suited for a commercial area. If this facility is approved in this area, it will make my daughters and I feel unsafe not only outside but also inside our home. Also, since it is a residential area, I feel that other families have similar concerns of safety and property value.
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Christopher October 16, 2020 at 7:11 PM
Angelic Ministries has initiated a petition for Zion Lane. How does the impact Knox County Rezoning? Since they asked to rezone to Vegetation how does that allow them to set up a men's home with staff? This is my message that I sent to our impacted neighborhood.
They push transparency but we had to dig to see who was asking for rezoning and for what. They then ask to postpone the rezoning until November so that they can be transparent and set up a meeting for neighbors to come listen to what they went to do next to our homes.
In the mean time they set up a petition for anyone to sign to support their build. Highly improbable that the people living here are the ones signing it. Please do not forget about 10/29.
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Christopher October 16, 2020 at 9:05 PM
This is the email that they are sending people who sent complaints to the commission. Very controlling and encouraging less presence. While they are trying to build a large support petition from people other than from the subdivisions that will be impacted View Attachment
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Greg (37931), October 22, 2020 at 7:01 AM
This email is concerning 9-A-20-RZ and 11-F-20-UR. There are 4 residents of voting age living at 3257 Red Meadow Rd, Knoxville, TN 37931 who OPPOSE this request. While we hope these men get the help they need, we are NOT in favor of these rezoning requests, because:1.) Primarily there are houses with young children playing, and catch the school bus, etc. in the area and the presence of this facility will be a direct threat to their safety and security, regardless of the efforts that may or may not be made to solve this problem.2.) There is currently no public transportation to/from the area and no safe means for the men to walk to/from any place where public transportation might be obtained.As someone who has ministered to such men in the past, I understand the need for these men to be reached and helped. However, with a county the size of Knox, there are for sure many better places for this type of facility. Please do NOT allow this rezoning. We will be watching this closely to see how this takes place and what the decisions are!
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Sonya (37931), October 26, 2020 at 7:45 AM
This email is concerning 9-A-20-RZ and 11-F-20-UR. There are 3 residents of voting age living at 6004 Star Ray, Knoxville, TN 37931 who OPPOSE this request. While we hope these men get the help they need, we are NOT in favor of these rezoning requests, because:
1.) Primarily there are houses with young children playing, and catch the school bus, etc. in the area and the presenceof this facility will be a direct threat to their safety and security, regardless of the efforts that may or may not be made to solve this problem.2.) There is currently no public transportation to/from the area and no safe means for the men to walk to/from any place where public transportation might be obtained.I understand the need for these men to be reached and helped. However, with a county the size of Knox, there are for sure many better places for this type of facility. Please do NOT allow this rezoning. We will be watching this closely to see how this takes place and what the decisions are!
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Gregory (37931), October 26, 2020 at 10:03 AM
1.) Primarily there are houses with young children playing, and catch the school bus, etc. in the area and the presenceof this facility will be a direct threat to their safety and security, regardless of the efforts that may or may not be made to solve this problem.2.) There is currently no public transportation to/from the area and no safe means for the men to walk to/from any place where public transportation might be obtained.I understand the need for these men to be reached and helped. However, with a county the size of Knox, there are for sure many better places for this type of facility. Please do NOT allow this rezoning. We will be watching this closely to see how this takes place and what the decisions are!
11-F-20-UR,9-A-20-RZ Gregory (37931), October 26, 2020 at 10:04 AM
This email is concerning 9-A-20-RZ and 11-F-20-UR. There are 2 residents of voting age living at 3209 Red Meadow Rd, Knoxville, TN 37931 who OPPOSE this request. While we hope these men get the help they need, we are NOT in favor of these rezoning requests, because:1.) Primarily there are houses with young children playing, and catch the school bus, etc. in the area and the presenceof this facility will be a direct threat to their safety and security, regardless of the efforts that may or may not be made to solve this problem.2.) There is currently no public transportation to/from the area and no safe means for the men to walk to/from any place where public transportation might be obtained.
I understand the need for these men to be reached and helped. However, with a county the size of Knox, there are for sure many better places for this type of facility. Please do NOT allow this rezoning. We will be watching this closely to see how this takes place and what the decisions are!
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Stevie (37931), October 28, 2020 at 2:50 AM
To Whom it May Concern:I am writing regarding case 9-A-20-RZ and 11-F-20-UR. There are currently 2 residents of age to vote at the current residence of 3310 Red Meadow Rd, Knoxville, TN 37931 who OPPOSE this request. As I do hope these men get the assistance they need, we are NOT in favor of these rezoning requests, due to the following reasons:The location of this facility will be surrounded by homes / subdivisions with families and young children. These young children play, catch the school bus, etc. in the area. This includes my children along with other families. This facility will be in the direct threat of these children's security and safety, regardless of the efforts to help this from happening.The location of this facility is poorly thought out due to the lack of public transportation for these individuals. The location of this property will not allow the men to walk to and from the area in a safe manor as there is a lack of sidewalks on Ball Rd.As someone who has family who has dealt with issue of domestic violence and drug abuse I do understand the need for those in these situations to be helped. I do believe with a location the size of Knoxville, there other locations which would benefit these men. Please do NOT allow this rezoning and jeopardize our children and families. As a homeowner I will be watching closely to see the results of this decision.
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Tony October 28, 2020 at 1:30 PM
Mrs. Albertson, I wanted to make it a point of record for the rezoning meeting coming in November as well as the UOR in December that we have been working toward a meeting on the 29th as was announced at our last meeting. Since then, at the urging of community leaders we have been given a venue to meet by Grace Baptist Church which lies in that community for a meeting that will be held on November 2nd. At 6:00 p.m.At their request due to Covid-19, they are limiting us to attendance of 25. We wanted to notify any commissioners that may have been planning on attending the meeting at our facility on the 29th be notified of the change. Also is an electronic attachment sent to those who emailed any questions or concerned that we would like you to share as well. Thank you so much.
A number of people in the neighborhood of this proposed development would like to know how the added traffic will be considered. In recent years the traffic on Campbell Station has increased a fair amount. We have followed the Hardin Valley Mobility Study and would like to know if this development will fit into this study.
Would you be able to send us any information about the ability of the infrastructure to support this development. The road's capability to handle this new addition is questionable and our foremost concern.
We plan to contact the County Commissioners and the road engineering department to add our point of view. We are in favor of sustainable development. As such, development should not overwhlhm the infrastructure. Agaain, in this case the road is our main concern. Reduction of the housing density and road development may help maintain a safe and sound road.
11-I-20-RZ Magnolia Pointe HOA October 30, 2020 at 12:55 PM
Good Afternoon, I am Deborah Pettit and president of the Magnolia Pointe Homeowners' Association. I, also, represent many people and subdivisions on Coward Mill and Reagan Road. On November 12, the MPC will be considering the two agenda items listed above. Our group has been active in many of the current and proposed developments. Most people moved here for the serenity and sense of community. Some have been here for over forty years. One of the things we are most concerned about is the proposed 5du/ac on this property. With the current subdivision next to this property, the former commission agreed with us to limit it to 3.5du/ac. We know we can't stop progress, but this area has farms and other subdivisions with only 3.5du/ac. Therefore, to keep with the established precedent that all previous parties have agreed to, we want to keep this development at the 3.5du/ac. Also, we hope this subdivision will not be allowed to begin building homes until Cherohala is finished. Even with the proposed widening of Coward Mill and the extension, the road will be very busy and the people in this area need to get used to 2 new subdivisions and a new school. Thank you for your consideration on this matter.
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Kevin (37931), October 30, 2020 at 11:26 PM
I strongly urge you not to allow rezoning for the purpose of establishing an Addiction Treatment Facility or similar Rehabilitation Facility in this residential family part of the Karns community. If you have any doubts about the validity of these reasons, and you haven't visited Ball Road and noticed the growing community, I urge you to do so before this item comes up for consideration. Allowing an Addiction Treatment Facility or Rehabilitation Facility in this area would be a mistake. View Attachment
I am writing in opposition to the rezoning request 11-C-20-RZ and 11-a-20-sp. I am concerned this will make the dangerous traffic problem significantly worse especially at this particular location along north Campbell Station rd. The road improvement plan should be underway before approving a rezoning to such a large number of houses along this road. The 196 requested household's vehicles pulling on and off of Campbell Station Road at this Curve will lead to traffic accidents and injuries. Please deny this rezoning request to slow the rapid growth and traffic problems we are facing in Hardin Valley.
11-SA-20-C Mark (37931), October 31, 2020 at 10:29 AM
I am writing to request that the new subdivision being proposed for the Coward Mill area be required to maintain the 3.5du/ac limit currently in place for other developments in the area and not be permitted to move to 5du/ac. Coward Mill is not able to handle the current traffic and to add the additional burden is simply not reasonable. Thank you for your consideration. Mark & Peggy Mason 10355 Laurel Pointe Lane Knoxville, TN 37931
My family lives on North Campbell station Rd in Hardin valley. I own 1811 N. Campbell station Rd, the adjacent property to this planned rezoning and I am writing to express opposition to this rezoning. There are many issues with this rezoning and the many neighbors I have spoken with have expressed similar concerns. View Attachment
I am a resident of the Halls community and have a child in second grade at Halls Elementary with two more children in line to attend as well. I am extremely concerned about the rehab facility that is trying to open across the street from the school. This is a danger to our children and presents other problems such as bringing drugs near our campus. The playground behind the school is open to the public when it is not school hours. I am very concerned that this will be used as a place for a last score for drugs before entering rehab. Also, since this is a voluntary program, I am concerned that addicts will check themselves out and be looking for an immediate fix and use our school as a location for that. What can we do to fight this coming into our community? Thank you so much for your consideration and help on this matter. We appreciate all that you do!
My name is Jennifer Gibson and I am reaching out to our local government officials regarding the Planning Commission?s hearing, scheduled for November 12th, in reference to case number 11-H-20-UR. This is for a proposal by JourneyPure seeking approval for a recovery housing facility at 7447 Andersonville Pike, Knoxville, TN 37938. I have attached the case information in the link below for your reference.
As you may be aware, in 2017 Angelic Ministries purchased the former Salem Baptist Church building with ideas to convert the location into a rehabilitation center or halfway house. That proposal was met with a great deal of controversy and animosity for the same reasons that community members, like myself, are now opposing the current measure to convert the former Tennova Healthcare Hospice building into a 44 bed recovery housing facility for outpatient substance abuse treatment. This building is located directly across the street, 0.3 miles, from Halls Elementary School, is 0.2 miles from the Elmcroft of Halls, and is 0.6 miles from Halls Middle School and Halls High School.
Halls Elementary School is a public elementary school that has a student body of 780 children between Pre-K and 5th grade. Elmcroft of Halls is an assisted living facility that currently provides care for 50 residents, 17 of which are cared for in the Memory Unit for Alzheimer?s and dementia. Halls Middle School and Halls High School are also public schools with approximately 1,054 and 1,275 students, respectively. Although my main concern is in regards to this particularly vulnerable population, I am also concerned about the property value of the homes in this area that will be affected by this proposal, should it pass. According to research, facilities such as drug treatment facilities cause a 3.4-4.6% decline in property values.My family, like so many others, is no stranger to addiction and neither is our community. I do believe the services of a facility are much needed. My concerns are strictly related to the location of this proposed center as I do not believe these types of facilities should be in residential areas. This center is limited to individuals seeking treatment voluntarily and is not compelled by court order. This means the individual can leave treatment at any time, without completing the program. It also means there is the possibility of more drugs being brought into to our community by those coming to or visiting the facility. School zones are zero tolerance when it comes to drugs, yet a recovery housing facility is being proposed 0.3 miles from this community?s elementary school. I do not believe this is in the best interest of our children or our community. I respectfully request that these concerns are considered and urge you to vote against this issue during the November 12th hearing. If you are copied on this email because you are an elected community leader, I urge you to assist your constituents in stopping this proposal.
Thank you for your time and attention to this matter. Should you wish to contact me to discuss further, my contact information is listed below.
My name is Samantha Knowles and I am reaching out to our local government officials regarding the Planning Commission?s hearing, scheduled for November 12th, in reference to case number 11-H-20-UR. This is for a proposal by JourneyPure seeking approval for a recovery housing facility at 7447 Andersonville Pike, Knoxville, TN 37938. I have attached the case information in the link below for your reference.
As you may be aware, in 2017 Angelic Ministries purchased the former Salem Baptist Church building with ideas to convert the location into a rehabilitation center or halfway house. That proposal was met with a great deal of controversy and animosity for the same reasons that community members, like myself, are now opposing the current measure to convert the former Tennova Healthcare Hospice building into a 44 bed recovery housing facility for outpatient substance abuse treatment. This building is located directly across the street, 0.3 miles, from Halls Elementary School, is 0.2 miles from the Elmcroft of Halls, and is 0.6 miles from Halls Middle School and Halls High School.
Halls Elementary School is a public elementary school that has a student body of 780 children between Pre-K and 5th grade. Elmcroft of Halls is an assisted living facility that currently provides care for 50 residents, 17 of which are cared for in the Memory Unit for Alzheimer?s and dementia. Halls Middle School and Halls High School are also public schools with approximately 1,054 and 1,275 students, respectively. Although my main concern is in regards to this particularly vulnerable population, I am also concerned about the property value of the homes in this area that will be affected by this proposal, should it pass. According to research, facilities such as drug treatment facilities cause a 3.4-4.6% decline in property values.
My family, like so many others, is no stranger to addiction and neither is our community. I do believe the services of a facility are much needed. My concerns are strictly related to the location of this proposed center as I do not believe these types of facilities should be in residential areas. This center is limited to individuals seeking treatment voluntarily and is not compelled by court order. This means the individual can leave treatment at any time, without completing the program. It also means there is the possibility of more drugs being brought into to our community by those coming to or visiting the facility. School zones are zero tolerance when it comes to drugs, yet a recovery housing facility is being proposed 0.3 miles from this community?s elementary school. I do not believe this is in the best interest of our children or our community. I respectfully request that these concerns are considered and urge you to vote against this issue during the November 12th hearing. If you are copied on this email because you are an elected community leader, I urge you to assist your constitutes in preventing this proposal.
I am reaching out to our local government officials regarding the Planning Commission's hearing, scheduled for November 12th, in reference to case number 11-H-20-UR. This is for a proposal by JourneyPure seeking approval for a recovery housing facility at 7447 Andersonville Pike, Knoxville, TN 37938. I have attached the case information in the link below for your reference.
As you may be aware, in 2017 Angelic Ministries purchased the former Salem Baptist Church building with ideas to convert the location into a rehabilitation center or halfway house. That proposal was met with a great deal of controversy and animosity for the same reasons that community members, like myself, are now opposing the current measure to convert the former Tennova Healthcare Hospice building into a 44 bed recovery housing facility for outpatient substance abuse treatment. This building is located directly across the street, 0.3 miles, from Halls Elementary School, is 0.2 miles from the Elmcroft of Halls, and is 0.6 miles from Halls Middle School and Halls High School. View Attachment
11-J-20-UR Timothy (37918), November 2, 2020 at 4:08 PM
I am writing in regards to the subject case for a proposed development off of Fountain City Road. This road is very busy throughout the day taking traffic from the Dante Road/Dry Gap Pike area over to Rifle Range Road. Fountain City Road intersects Rifle Range Road at a nearly 45 degree angle and is just 0.08 mile from the intersection of Parkdale Road and Rifle Range Road which is an intersection also with an approximate 45 degree angle. Sight lines at these two intersections are difficult for motorists looking to make a left turn. The heavy traffic on Rifle Range is very dangerous with these two intersections being so close together. In addition there is a Knox County Greenway path that runs along Rifle Range Road crossing over Fountain City Road at this dangerous intersection. I am very concerned that the increased number of vehicles that this proposed development will bring will cause additional traffic problems at these intersections as well as potential pedestrian accidents with the proximity of the greenway. I urge the Knox County Planning Commission to reject this proposed concept plan due to the traffic concerns I have outlined here.
11-A-20-SP Rita (37932), November 3, 2020 at 1:13 AM
I am a next door neighbor who lives at 1801 N. Campbell Station Rd. and am writing in opposition to the rezoning of the Long Farm Way portion of the 41 acre parcel of this property. The original plan was meant to be a low density area with no more than 15 or more acres per house and only 2 houses per easement. This plan has been a known restriction that was put in place when the Long Farm was subdivided to protect the land and surrounding neighbors from a high density development.
The developers are trying to get around the restrictions by accessing it through the adjacent property and we think allowing this large development will set a dangerous precedent and be unfair to the other Long Farm lot owners. Also, the large curve would be even more dangerous with the new entrance/exit point there ,causing increased number of speed signage and increased traffic problems. Please consider our opposition to the rezoning of this development and keep the restriction of this large development.
11-I-20-RZ Fredrik and Debra (37931), November 3, 2020 at 10:38 AM
It is our understanding that a developer has bought a tract of land next to the current subdivision (by the big Propane tanks) on Coward Mill Road. The developer is asking for your approval for a 5du/ac which means five (5) dwelling units per acre. That will make the homes very close to one another. There are twelve (12) acres of land. That means sixty (60) new homes, Most homeowners make an average of four (4) trips per day which is two hundred forty (240) more cars on a winding Coward Mill Road.This is in addition to the current subdivision of one hundred fifteen(115) homes currently under construction and a new elementary school that has already been approved. All of the other subdivisions, after we fought for it, are 3.5du/ac. The other former commissioners agreed that the 3.5du/ac should be rejected and accepted the 3.5dc/ac to preserve the existing community.
I am asking you to support the 3.5du/ac for this property and propose that the subdivision should not be allowed to begin construction until Cherahala is finished and Coward Mill is widened.
To whom it may concern:My name is Whitney Howard and I am reaching out to our local government o?cials regarding thePlanning Commission?s hearing, scheduled for November 12th, in reference to case number 11-H-20-UR. This is for a proposal by JourneyPure seeking approval for a recovery housing facility at 7447 Andersonville Pike, Knoxville, TN 37938. I have attached the case information in the link below for your reference.As you may be aware, in 2017 Angelic Ministries purchased the former Salem Baptist Church building with ideas to convert the location into a rehabilitation center or halfway house. That proposal was met with a great deal of controversy and animosity for the same reasons that community members, like myself, are now opposing the current measure to convert the former Tennova Healthcare Hospice building into a 44 bed recovery housing facility for outpatient substance abuse treatment. This building is located directly across the street, 0.3 miles, from Halls Elementary School, is 0.2 miles from the Elmcroft of Halls, and is 0.6 miles from Halls Middle School and Halls High School.Halls Elementary School is a public elementary school that has a student body of 780 children between Pre-K and 5th grade. Elmcroft of Halls is an assisted living facility that currently provides care for 50 residents, 17 of which are cared for in the Memory Unit for Alzheimer?s and dementia. Halls Middle School and Halls High School are also public schools with approximately 1,054 and 1,275 students, respectively.Although my main concern is in regards to this particularly vulnerable population, I am also concerned about the property value of the homes in this area that will be a?ected by this proposal, should it pass. According to research, facilities such as drug treatment facilities cause a 3.4-4.6% decline in property values.My family, like so many others, is no stranger to addiction and neither is our community. I do believe the services of a facility are much needed. My concerns are strictly related to the location of this proposed center as I do not believe these types of facilities should be in residential areas. This center is limited to individuals seeking treatment voluntarily and is not compelled by court order. This means the individual can leave treatment at any time, without completing the program. It also means there is the possibility of more drugs being brought into to our community by those coming to or visiting the facility. School zones are zero tolerance when it comes to drugs, yet a recovery housing facility is being proposed0.3 miles from this community?s elementary school. I do not believe this is in the best interest of our children or our community. I respectfully request that these concerns are considered and urge you to vote against this issue during the November 12thhearing. If you are copied on this email because you are an elected community leader, I urge you to assist your constitutes in preventing this proposal.
10-D-20-RZ Mark (37922), November 3, 2020 at 4:56 PM
Thank you for the opportunity to be heard and represented regarding the plans for this site. I write to you today as a member/neighbor of the Choto communities and as a small business owner. Our business interest, Bearden Beer Market, a landmark in the neighborhood, came within days of permanently closing its doors with the COVID lockdowns in March. With the assistance of PPP loans from our local bank we were able to survive, keep our staff gainfully employed and fight to get back on our feet to this point looking to open a second location. We worked closely with the Fire Marshall to review capacity, the Health Department to review social distancing seating plans and Phase 1 requirements, and MedeClean Technologies to ensure we reopened safely and responsibly. We are confident that our business model will be an enhancement to the Choto neighborhood.
Upon first petitioning for rezoning we found ourselves unfortunately combating unsubstantiated rumors within the community and through the Nextdoor App while it was always our intention to meet with our neighbors proactively. Please allow me to address those again: we do not serve liquor, we are not open late (close Sun-Wed 10p, Thurs-Sat 12a), we do not host live music events or play loud music, we are not a dimly-lit smoke-filled "beer joint," we do not cater to a college crowd, we WILL have a full menu of food available. We have since met with our neighbors multiple times to address concerns head on as much as possible and have been met warmly. We are small business owners who seek to be embraced by the neighbors we intend to serve.Bearden Beer Market has been consistently recognized as a supporter of many charitable organizations and an ideal place to meet people in Knoxville, whether that be a planned gathering or a place to meet new people. It is our plan to carry those elements to the Choto location and draw the community together. It is a place for business professionals, friends, families, and even your dog. It has the comfortable feel of a backyard get-together. It is a place to collect for activities such as Pickleball, basketball, cornhole, disc golf, a trivia night or just gather around our firepit. A place to enjoy a glass of wine, a craft beer, and an affordable meal. Our vision is an elaborate community clubhouse built aesthetically conforming to local architecture. In these mid-COVID times, our atmosphere has giving folks a sense of normalcy by enjoying the outdoors in a public place with friends and neighbors.
As a neighbor I knowingly speak firsthand that this establishment will be a complement to existing restaurants and is not in direct or threatening competition to businesses that currently serve the area.
11-H-20-UR James (37938), November 3, 2020 at 5:47 PM
I understand a need for a drug rehab facility. But why Halls? Why not West Knox County? Higher population and a greater need for the facility in that area.
11-H-20-UR Natasha (37918), November 3, 2020 at 6:36 PM
This is a horrible idea across from an elementary school and an extremely busy, highly traveled road that doesn’t need extra opportunities for people under the influence on their way to rehab. We dont want this and we dont want the walking trails because they become homeless camps and places for people to jump out and expose themselves! Please stop bringing junk to our neighborhood! Send this to west knoxville or over by east town mall.
In the past all sector plan amendments in Hardin Valley have been approved. A portion of the Long Farm was previously approved for LDR zoning (10-C-06-SP)
Following cases were approved:
Solway Station (12-B-15-SP) Hayden Hills (6-C-04-SP) Laural RidgeBall Homes Seal property (10-E-19-SP) Vining Mill (7-E-16-sp)Brandywine @ Pepper Ridge (5-B-17-SP) Everett Station (12-A-13-SP)The Brook @ Hardin Valley (3-A-17-SP)
I respectfully request that 11-A-20-SP be approved LDR per the above mentioned reasons.
I am a community member of Halls located in north Knox County. Our neighborhood was recently made aware that there was a request for the potential of special use of a lot located within a mile radius of Halls Elementary School.
I am aware that the staff will make a recommendation prior to the meeting, but this is an injustice without consulting the local neighborhood, the people who call this quaint area home. Due to JourneyPure requesting a special use of the lot, I have listed neighborhood facts below stating why this area is an inappropriate location for a rehab housing facility. I believe this would help shed information on the area before the staff makes their recommendation at the public hearing. View Attachment
11-C-20-RZ Kim (37932), November 5, 2020 at 12:15 PM
The developer reached out to me to discuss his vision for this project several weeks ago. We discussed at length the concerns that adjacent property owners and community members had regarding the safety of Campbell Station Rd, density according to topography, setbacks, amenities, adding value to the community, aligning his vision with the community's vision, the Growth Plan, the Sector Plan, the case file of this property, easement deeds, other offers on this property, preservation of vegetation, buffers, egress / ingress locations, site distances, zoning and densities of nearby properties, etc. View Attachment
11-I-20-RZ Kim (37932), November 5, 2020 at 12:16 PM
First a little history - nearly 7 years ago when our group was advocating for the addition of a middle school in the NW Sector, we also strongly encouraged our county to consider the growth in our area and plan ahead by including an additional elementary school in this sector of our county into the 5 year capital plan. The new proposed NW Elementary School is underway and planned for Coward Mill Rd. The site selection for the school was vetted after KCS secured a purchase agreement of the parcel. Therefore, major infrastructure improvement costs, including improvements to Coward Mill Rd and extending Cherahala Rd, were bumped up on the county's list of priorities. As you might conclude, the financial burden for these improvements is significant, but necessary, as plans for the school move forward. As a result, the existing residents of Coward Mill Rd (most of which are long time, second and third generation) land owners have concerns. Last week I met with a group of community members to hear those concerns: traffic congestion and safety, easements, density, long term planning and future growth. I have spoken to the applicant and relayed these concerns to which he is taking into consideration. The community would like to see a density of 3 or less, which aligns with other developments nearby who have densities at 3.5, 1-3,1-3, and 1-3.5. The applicant is awaiting a determination from his engineer and I am awaiting the staff recommendation to determine how to bring the applicant and community members together.
11-B-20-UR Kim (37932), November 5, 2020 at 12:17 PM
Upon meeting with another group of residents on Coward Mill Rd, it was determined that these resident were unaware that the zoning of this property was heard and determined at the October 8th planning meeting with a zoning of LDR 3.5 du/acre. Which supports the need to better the notification process as our group has stated multiple times - the current timeline for notification and methods are simply inadequate and place unrealistic time constraints directly on the community. After a lengthy discussion of the criteria used by the Planning Commission to conclude their decision, the residents were more understanding and willing to talk with the applicant on possible concept plan design conditions. Discussions are underway.
11-I-20-RZ Randy (37931), November 5, 2020 at 12:21 PM
I am writing to you in opposition of the proposed (slash & burn) development @ 10607 coward mill rd. I own and operate “Varmint Busters” at 10615 Coward Mill Rd. right next door. We are the oldest, most professional Wildlife Damage Management company in the state of Tennessee, licensed by TWRA since 1989. When I purchased this property the zoning was BPTO as was the surrounding property on both sides.
I had to justify that my wildlife damage management company “fit” into this zoning. I searched long and hard for a good location because at certain times of the year we can be a little odiferous (skunk season). I felt obligated to find a location where I would not be a nuisance to surrounding neighbors. We have been at this location about 15 years now.
Recently the 30 acres between my property and Pellissippi was sold. This land has been tortured and hauled off like Mr. Peabody’s coal train did to Muhlenberg county Kentucky. All the timber has been removed and the ground scraped bare. Two small streams have been encapsulated in plastic pipe and buried underground. A bonified sinkhole approximately .3ac is now under about 30 ft. of fill dirt. My phone lines have been knocked out twice. A black cherry tree about 8inch DBH fell onto my property and power line and caught fire. Rural Metro saved the day! Since this 30 acres has been cleared the wind howls across my property like it never did before. I have an old steel door (standard exterior steel door about 50lbs) that leans against a shed post in the back of my property that blows over two or three times every week!!! I have had to replace both siding and roofing due to the constant wind that we never had before!
I think this is the same developer that now wants to develop 10607 Coward Mill Rd. The last planning meeting I went to at Hardin Valley School showed the Cherahala skyway/by-pass going through this property so what’s up with that?
11-I-20-RZ Matt & Jessica (37931), November 5, 2020 at 12:27 PM
To all Knox County Planning Commissioners:
Subject: (CASE # 11-I-20-RZ, 11-D-20-SP) Proposed rezoning of 5.4 acres at 10607 Coward Mill Rd from BP (TO) to planned residential development (TO) up to 5 house/acre. Objectives: Keep traffic noise and congestion (bottleneck) to a minimum around and on Coward Mill Road and Phase 1 of Cherahala Extension.
Reasons for concern are as stated:
A. The PHASE 2 “Extension of Cherahala Blvd.” is to dissect this property and it seems inappropriate to be putting houses or anything on it at this time.
B. A New 900 student capacity elementary school is to be built adjacent to the East side of this property.
C. A subdivision with 118 homes (3.5/ acre) is going in adjacent to the West side of this property.
D. Increased congestion reduces the value and desirability of the existing homes in the area.
E. Any increase of number of houses of more than 3.5/acre would break the precedence already set for our area and would negatively change the housing plan in our community. We are aware that Coward Mill Road is to be upgraded for school bus safety, but it is to remain a two-lane road which will be required to carry all of this additional traffic.
We are not against responsible development. Please help us keep our housing and traffic congestion down, and our home values up. Thank you for your support and consideration.
11-I-20-RZ Jessica (37931), November 5, 2020 at 1:17 PM
Subject: (CASE # 11-I-20-RZ, 11-D-20-SP) Proposed rezoning of 5.4 acres at 10607 Coward Mill Rdfrom BP (TO) to planned residential development (TO) up to 5 house/acre.
Objectives: Keep traffic noise and congestion (bottleneck) to a minimum around and on Coward Mill Road and Phase 1 of Cherahala Extension.
Reasons for concern are as stated:A. The PHASE 2 ?Extension of Cherahala Blvd.? is to dissect this property and it seems inappropriate to be putting houses or anything on it at this time.B. A New 900 student capacity elementary school is to be built adjacent to the East side of this property.C. A subdivision with 118 homes (3.5/ acre) is going in adjacent to the West side of this property.
D. Increased congestion reduces the value and desirability of the existing homes in the area.E. Any increase of number of houses of more than 3.5/acre would break the precedence already set for our area and would negatively change the housing plan in our community.
We are aware that Coward Mill Road is to be upgraded for school bus safety, but it is to remain a two- lane road which will be required to carry all of this additional traffic.
We are not against responsible development. Please help us keep our housing and traffic congestion down, and our home values up. Thank you for your support and consideration.
11-H-20-UR Barbara (37938), November 5, 2020 at 2:04 PM
An alcohol and drug treatment facility should not be located across from a school or so close to residential neighborhoods. I am concerned that I was the only person in my neighborhood that received a postcard regarding this application.
11-D-20-SP James (37931), November 5, 2020 at 2:23 PM
I have two concerns, 1) the “Phase 2 Extension of Cherahala Blvd” and 2) housing densities that exceed 3.5/acre. The Phase 2 Extension of Cherahala Blvd is planned to bisect the proposed development and once the houses are built, the road cannot be completed. This extension is critical to relieving traffic problems in the area, especially with the housing developments being built and the future 900-student elementary school. Can the county establish a right-of-way for the Phase 2 Extension of Cherahala Blvd? This will allow the reasonable development of the area without causing major traffic problems, especially given that the county is currently working to address this future problem.I realize that the zoning allows up to 5 houses per acre, but I want to emphasize that most of the houses in the area have lots greater than one acre. There is a subdivision being built that has 3.5 houses/acre and any development that exceeds this density would not fit into the current land use of the area.
11-I-20-RZ Greg and Susan (37931), November 6, 2020 at 9:30 AM
To all knox county planning commissioners:
Subject: (CASE # 11-I-20-RZ, 11-D-20-SP) Purposed rezoning of 5.4 acres at 10607 Coward Mill Rd from BP (TO) to planned residential development (TO) up to 5 house/acre.
Objectives: Keep traffic noise and congestion(bottleneck) to a minimum around and on Coward Mill Road and Phase 1 of Cherahala Extension.
Reasons for concern are as stated:
A. The PHASE 2 “Extension of Cherahala Blvd.” is to dissect this property and it seems inappropriate to be putting houses or anything on it at this time. B. A New 900 student capacity elementary school is to be built adjacent to the East side of this property. C. A subdivision with 118 homes ( 3.5/ acre) is going in adjacent to the West side of this property. D. Increased congestion reduces the value and desirability of the existing homes in the area. E. Any increase of number of houses of more than 3.5/acre would break the precedence already set for our area and would negatively change the housing plan in our community. We are aware that Coward Mill Road is to be upgraded for school bus safety, but it is to remain a two lane road which will be required to carry all of this additional traffic.We are not against responsible development. Please help us keep our housing and traffic congestion down, and our home values up. Thank you for your support and consideration.These are some concerns about the development and rezoning of the property ( known to us as the Zimmerman property).These are a few of the concerns that we think are important to voice for our community. Remember, Commissioners are appointed to protect our community’s interest and not the financial interest of a single developer.
11-I-20-RZ Mary Ann (37931), November 6, 2020 at 10:30 AM
Please keep the the rezoning of this property to 3.5 houses per acre as is in keeping with other developments in this immediate area. Our concerns are the following: 1- Any change in the number of houses per acre would break the precedence and would negatively impact our area 2- Phase 2 of extension of Cherahala Blvd is to dissect this property and seems against County interests to put housing in at this time 3- A new elementary is to be built adjacent to this property. It would seem more practical for the county to wait for the school to be built to see how rezoning this property would affect the school traffic problems. 4- Increased congestion would reduce the desirability and thus property values of the existing homes in the area In closing - It seems against county interests to rezone this property until the road infrastructure has been built and the school is operational.
We were notified that there is a proposed rezoning request near Catatoga Kennels on Campbell station rd (11-c-20-RZ and 11-a-20-sp). This portion of Campbell station road is already overturned and poorly maintained with proposed improvements still outstanding (thinking of updates to the intersection of Yarnell and Campbell Station in particular and the road closure on the other end of Yarnell for the bridge repair that already limits traffic). The traffic backup, particularly in the mornings, is awful. Please, please leave this land as agricultural. We are losing the charm that drew us to the area years ago as the growth far outpaces the preparation. Let's grow smarter, and reclaim the charm of Hardin valley!
11-G-20-UR Kim (37932), November 6, 2020 at 2:32 PM
I wanted to ask that the proposed impact of traffic congestion be considered when reviewing this application. Hardin Valley is excited that the applicant requested community input for the best and highest use of this land and responded favorably with the much needed addition of a childcare facility in our area. However, we do have concerns regarding the traffic patterns and or congestion that will directly correlate with high traffic count times of the day as indicated in the 2019 HV Traffic Mobility Study. We simply ask that you consider and suggest reasonable solutions to mediate this concern.
11-G-20-UR Hardin Valley Planning Advocates (37932), November 6, 2020 at 2:50 PM
Dear Commissioners, I wanted to ask that the proposed impact of traffic congestion be considered when reviewing this application. Hardin Valley is excited that the applicant requested community input for the best and highest use of this land and responded favorably with the much needed addition of a childcare facility in our area. However, we do have concerns regarding the traffic patterns and or congestion that will directly correlate with high traffic count times of the day as indicated in the 2019 HV Traffic Mobility Study. We simply ask that you consider and suggest reasonable solutions to mediate this concern.
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Angela & Kevin (37931), November 6, 2020 at 3:23 PM
I am writing with my firm OBJECTION to two current requests for rezoning. The first rezoning request is for vegetation (9-A-20-RZ) followed by a second request for Multi-family Residential rezoning (11-F-20-UR), both on the same property in the Karns area on Zion Lane, off Ball Rd. View Attachment
11-A-20-SP Ed and Laura (37932), November 6, 2020 at 6:11 PM
This email is in regard to the proposed planned residential rezoning project proposed by Urban Development on Campbell Station rd at Catoga kennels.
As a resident of this area (11707 Yarnell Rd) my husband and I strongly oppose any further development of this magnitude until Campbell station rd sees significant improvement.
Specifically the dangerous interaction of Yarnell and Campbell Sta and the increased traffic at Camp Sta and Hardin Valley. These intersections need a traffic circle or light before any future development occurs.
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Megan (37931), November 6, 2020 at 9:59 PM
This letter is in regards to 9-A-20-RZ, the rezoning of Zion Lane from planned residential to agricultural. Angelic Ministries is seeking to build a "men's home" on this property. I have several issues with this, as it is in close proximity to my neighborhood. View Attachment
11-C-20-UR Arlie (37931), November 6, 2020 at 10:14 PM
I was of the understanding that the subdivision was a single family developmentwith single family dwelling. I am concerned that the propose building would cause a drainage problem to my property. By changing the drainage of the property by causing a faster runoff because of the asphalt. And that the proposed building would not add value to the surrounding properties. After speaking to some of neighbors they are not in favor of the proposal.
i think its a GREAT idea.( yes i think there a honestly probably better locations throughout halls for it ) but i think y'all should definitely continue no matter the petitions!!!!
11-I-20-RZ Gary and Donna (37931), November 7, 2020 at 10:09 AM
Gary and Donna Paulson respectfully request that you reject the 5 du/ac Coward Mill subdivision proposal from a developer and, instead, approve it as a 3.5 du/ac subdivision.
Development in this area will continue and we have no problem with that as long as the density is controlled. To us, 3.5 du/ac is reasonable and will help control future congestion on the area roads, will contribute to better air quality, and will help make the community a more desirable place to live.
Please listen to the positive perspectives about this initiative. Take a moment to read the positive comments of the threads on the "What'sUpHalls" FaceBook group. The more this issue is shared the greater the positive influences are heard! My family and I are in full support of JourneyPure opening in the old hospice building. Don't leave it up to the judgmental public to make this decision?look at the stats of the men, women, AND CHILDREN who are addicts in our community and surrounding area. They need this and that alone should be enough ground to stand on to invite this facility into Halls.
Thank you for your time and praying for this to go through. Let me know how I can help.
11-H-20-UR Cindy (37938), November 7, 2020 at 1:30 PM
In regards to a drug/alcohol recovery unit directly across from an elementary school: If we want to keep our children safe, if we do not allow alcohol sales within sight of a school, why would you permit a rehabilitation center near the elementary school. You cannot tell me that in a county as large as Knox, that there is not a more suitable piece of property. Please look at the current data of crime incidents at facilities such as these and for once put our children first!
I am writing about 11-C-20-RZ and 11-A-20-SP involving the rezoning and building on Catatoga Kennels. The problem developing this land is two fold - North Campbell Station Road and the overcrowded schools.
North Campbell Station Road is a busy two lane road with no shoulders. It needs shoulders, and if building continues, it needs to be widened as well as Yarnell and Sam Lee Road. Before we approve subdivisions, please look at the infrastructure. The property across the street to Catatoga is the prime example. You know Campbell station is narrow with lots of traffic. Why wasn't that developer required to give enough land to widen that road? Now, we are going to build another 196 houses to add traffic to a dangerous road. I would not want to make a left turn onto Campbell Station. I drove down Campbell Station around 8:00 in the morning. The road is so backed up to get onto Hardin Valley, and Hardin Valley Road can't take any more traffic at that time. Please do something about the roads or require these builders to set back their property to improve the road.
Our schools are overcrowded. How can we support more students with the current number of houses already approved to be built?
I understand the county wants more money. I understand that both the land owner and the develop want to make money. I would like to be ok with it, but Campbell Station Road and our schools can not support that number of houses. Fix the roads and the schools and I would not complain.
Please start thinking about road improvements including widening roads before you agree to new subdivisions.
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Kelsey November 8, 2020 at 12:33 PM
I am writing on behalf of my family due to our concerns for the upcoming planned development of the Angelic Ministries "Boarding House." My family and I live in Foxfield subdivision which is directly across from this planned rehabilitation center on Zion road. We are in strong disagreement and objection of the location of this facility. My previous work, and credentials in the mental health field have allowed me the opportunity to have experience working in facilities of this manner and been privy to the operations. While I am not against the center itself, I find the location of this facility highly inappropriate and not a proper placement in this community. This facility would find itself surrounded by multiple subdivisions in which there are a multitude of children in these environments. Placing a men's rehabilitation center, or boarding house is not only dangerous it is negligent. As you are aware, addiction is rarely a single diagnosis, and often has multiple comorbidities. While the "goal" is to not allow for any previous sexual or violent offenders" we are aware of how these offenses can quickly escalate and turn into not only violence but a decline into behaviors that are undesirable and illegal when addiction is involved. A men's home that has guidelines NOW, but having worked in these facilities, I understand the lack of enforceability in requiring these individuals to remain in the facility. The allowance of this facility would not only be placing the immediate community at risk, but as stated before is negligent. I strongly object to the placement of this facility and you do not have my family's support.
I understand that you want to accommodate everyone by approving all building permits requested. But you must look at the location of this request. For a more visual effect come down to Hardin Valley during the drop off of the school kids in the morning and you will get a good idea of what the traffic is like around here. The roads on Campbell Station and Hardin Valley are over populated now and the schools are so over crowded that even the new school on Coward Mill Rd. will be to capacity before it is even open and the Hardin Valley schools are so over crowded they are having to add out buildings for class rooms. So please do not pass this application. Ask yourself would you want to live in this over populated area?
11-SB-20-C Annie (37924), November 8, 2020 at 4:28 PM
I am a homeowner of an adjacent lot to this plan. Do you know if there are any plans for privacy fencing or any type of barrier between the proposed subdivision and the existing surrounding homes?
11-I-20-RZ Thomas (37931), November 8, 2020 at 6:37 PM
I am writing regarding my growing concern about the potential for traffic congestion and noise around and on Coward Mill Road and Phase 1 of the Cherahala Extension that will only be further exacerbated by the above referenced rezoning and sector plan amendment at 10607 Coward Mill Road. Specifically, my concerns are as follows:
The PHASE 2 "Extension of Cherahala Blvd." is to bisect this property, and it seems inappropriate to authorize higher density home construction on this property at this time based on the current plans for the Phase 2 extension of Cherahala Blvd. through this property.
Knox County Schools is constructing a new 900 student elementary school directly adjacent to the east side of this property.
An 118 home (3.5 du/acre) subdivision is under construction directly adjacent to the west side of the above referenced property.
The potential increased congestion has a negative impact on the safety, seclusion, and value of the existing homes in this area.
Any increase in the density of homes above 3.5 du/acre would exceed the precedent already established by the planning commission for this area, resulting in a negative impact on the overall housing density of this area.While I am aware of Knox County's plans to widen Coward Mill Road for school bus traffic, it is still to remain a two-lane road which will be required to carry a large amount of additional traffic with the addition of the new school and subdivision noted above.
While I am not opposed to responsible development, I am concerned that the density of the proposed rezoning will have a negative impact on the traffic safety and quality of life that hopefully remain paramount in your planning goals for the future development of this property and the properties in this area.
I am writing to you today as a Hardin Valley resident for almost 39 years. While I know growth is inevitable and change
happens, our little community cannot handle the traffic. The road infrastructure is not sufficient. I used to be able to pull out of my driveway on Yarnell Rd amd never have to wait for traffic. Now it is not uncommon for me to wait for a dozen vehicles to pass and now I get stuck in bumper to bumper traffic at the stop sign at Yarnell and Campbell station. There are several large developments going in all around my area. We need to put a stop to the development until the infrastructure is in place. I hope you consider this in your decision to rezoning requests. My kids will be driving soon and I pray that the roads and intersections are much safer before they are driving with all this traffic. We need major improvements!
11-I-20-RZ Jones and Betty November 9, 2020 at 2:01 AM
We have several concerns about this purposed development:Safety- There are natural gas storage tanks within a 150 yards South-West of this property.Safety at the purposed (900 student) elementary school adjacent to the North-West side of this property: the "Phase 2 Extension of Cherahala Blvd" is to bisect this property and could easily provide a second entrance and exit to the school for emergency equipment and for evacuation of the school if needed. This second school entrance would also reduce traffic on the two lane Coward Mill Road.
There is also a 118 home subdivision (3.5/acre) being built adjacent to the West side of this property which will increase traffic along with the school( buses and cars) traffic.
Any increase in the number of houses of more than 3.5/acre would break the precedent already set for our area and would negatively change the housing plan in our community.
An Increased traffic congestion would reduce the value and desirability of the existing homes in the area.Keeping traffic noise and a bottleneck congestion to a minimum around and on Coward Mill Road and Phase 1 of Cherahala Extension, is essential for all who live and travel on Coward Mill Road.
We thank the Commissioners for protecting the safety and interest of existing home owners and for future responsible development in our community.
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Joy (37931), November 9, 2020 at 8:10 AM
I STRONGLY object to this kind of establishment being placed in my community. I didn't even get into how it would negatively affect home values or property tax revenue or any other economic subject you could think of. Because that wouldn't be right. I'm not saying what I'm saying for money. I'm saying it for my family, for the families around me and everyone else who wants to remain living in a safe community. DO NOT REZONE TO LET ANGELIC MINISTRIES RUN ROUGHSHOD IN OUR COMMUNITY! View Attachment
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Kerry November 9, 2020 at 8:10 AM
While my husband and I appreciate the intent of Angelic Ministries and their mission, we strongly urge you not to allow rezoning for the purpose of establishing an Addiction Treatment Facility or similar Rehabilitation Facility in this residential family part of the Karns community. There are better placed within Knox County suited for a facility of this nature. If you have any doubts about the validity of these reasons, and you haven?t visited Ball Road and noticed the growing community, I urge you to do so before this item comes up for consideration. Allowing an Addiction Treatment Facility or Rehabilitation Facility in this area would be a mistake. View Attachment
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Megan November 9, 2020 at 8:10 AM
I strongly dislike how Angelic Ministries is trying to push themselves onto our community. They have not been transparent with anything. They have refused to provide any direct answers. I am deeply concerned with the safety and well being of my family and my neighbors if this "boarding house" (without properly trained staff) is allowed to open. I urge you to consider how you yourself would feel if this was being proposed in your own community. No one wants this in their backdoor. The lack of staff training and false labelling of a "boarding house" should constitute a rejection. Please deny their rezoning request. View Attachment
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Joe (37931), November 9, 2020 at 8:10 AM
As a neighbor, Knox county resident, and voter I strongly believe such a facility does not belong near residential communities and Angelic Ministries mission is best served either growing their current facilities or finding other property well removed from the people of Knox county. View Attachment
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Rob November 9, 2020 at 8:10 AM
Please consider my and all other concerned citizen's opinions on this issue. We love our residences/community and would hate to have them affected by a poorly placed "boarding house". The residences/community, as well as the individuals that the rehab center is being proposed for, would be better off if the proposed center were planned and constructed at an alternate location. View Attachment
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Kevin (37931), November 9, 2020 at 10:10 AM
Thank You for strongly considering my opposition to deny these rezoning requests when the commission meets on November 12th 2020 and any future dates when this may be on the planning commission’s agenda. View Attachment
Please, please make the developers slow down. West Knox county rural roads can't keep up with the traffic as is.Even worse, all this bulldozing of forests is contributing to global warming.
Why not make them put in quality homes on large lots (like Chestnut Grove where trees are protected and has commons area, pool, etc.) to attract higher income families. The higher priced homes can still bring in profit to the developer, higher taxes than the rural land, but will help keep the area beautiful. The bonus is traffic won't be increased as much.
Bottom line: please oppose this development plan and substantially reduce the number of houses in this acreage.
11-A-20-SP Martin and Mary Lou (37932), November 9, 2020 at 12:07 PM
We are very concerned about a proposal to allow building 196 new homes on 1737 N. Campbell Station. We understand the desire to build in Hardin Valley and are not opposed to all new building, but ask that it be thoughtful and proactive. Many homes in this area are already in the process of being built or have been built and not occupied. Our schools are already overcrowded. This area is experiencing traffic issues and congestion which would obviously get worse. Traffic would increase by 1,932 more trips a day according to the Traffic Impact Letter completed October 2020. Campbell Station and Yarnell are both 2 lane roads (often narrow) and cannot handle this amount of traffic. We simply do not have the infrastructure.
Your own staff has made a preliminary recommendation for 124 homes. What would be your rationale for going against this finding? We ask that you follow the guidelines for Hillside Protection. Please give thought to the impact on the environment, both trees and wildlife. We are at risk of diminishing both which are reasons why Hardin Valley is beautiful.
We regret that health issues and Covid 19 prohibit our attending this meeting in person.
PLEASE be thoughtful and proactive in your decisions regarding Hardin Valley. Please send confirmation that this email has been received-thanks.
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Anatoliy November 9, 2020 at 12:14 PM
I am a resident of the Foxfield subdivision in Karns. I have a family with two young children. I am writing you regarding possible plans to approve the project to build a boarding house across the road from where we live on Zion Lane. Rezoning 9-A-20-RZ, 11-F-20-UR.
I’d like to let you know that I’m opposed to having this project approved. My community is not an experiment for angelic ministries to build their boarding house. I don’t want to worry about my children being outside because it only takes one person to fail their efforts to help him before they can start roaming around close-by subdivisions.Its you Responsibility to make decisions to keep the community safe and desirable to live in. If the boarding house is built all our house values would drop. People that care about their community will move somewhere else with their families and people that don’t care will take their place. This one decision can change the surrounding communities significantly and not for the better.
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR John and Sharon November 9, 2020 at 12:19 PM
Knoxville-Knox Planning Commission,
I am writing this morning to voice my strong opposition to the two pending cases in relation to the Zion Road rezoning proposal that are currently in front of you. I am a resident of Foxfield subdivision in the Karns community of Knox County. While I do not have children living at home, most of my neighbors do and facility of this type, while warranted, is a major safety and economic concern for me and my neighbors. Allowing this type of “soft jail” facility to exist is a residential area is only inviting issues into the area. It is also my understanding that Angelic Ministries has never operated a facility as they are proposing and it does not have the qualified staff to take on a “project” such as this. If I understand the history of this proposed facility, it has previously been rejected by several communities in Knox County. I would request the Commission do the same here.
I am writing today over my concern for the rezoning of areas 11-C-20-RZ and 11-A-20-SP. This is a beautiful piece of land along the Campbell Station area and I hate to see another neighborhood go in. Campbell Station is a very narrow road and can not handle the additional traffic that it will see with the new neighborhoods in the process of being built along with the potential one. The intersection at Yarnell and Campbell Station is a very dangerous one and this will just make the intersection more dangerous. The lack of infrastructure and deterioration is a concern as well.
That area sees high water and the other side sees flooding and removing a hillside that helps with the water would be a concern to me. Plus the schools are WAY overcrowded as it is, this will only add to the number of students and over crowding the schools even more which will affect not only my children's education but others as well not to mention their safety.
My last concern is just taking away the beauty of country and trees and animals natural habitat. We decided on this area because of it's beauty and country feel and that is slowly being taken away with every tree cut down. I know all that is seen is $$$$ but I see nature and animal habitat and being safe when I take my kids to school on an already narrow, busy road.
11-C-20-RZ Lisa (37924), November 9, 2020 at 6:35 PM
The surrounding neighbors are concerned about having another subdivision in an area already facing traffic problems, school overcrowding and flood potential. The site has a lot of slopes in the Hillside Protection area and neighbors are concern about the negative effects on their property of grading hillsides and potential for flooding. I know that road improvements are planned for the future, but that doesn't help the people who live there now.
11-C-20-RZ Samuel (37932), November 9, 2020 at 7:03 PM
I just wanted to voice my family's concern regarding rezoning this property. Having moved to Hardin Valley in 2012, we've witnessed first hand the growth the community has both enjoyed and is now having to learn to tolerate. Traffic along Campbell Station, and specifically at the Yarnell intersection, is a daily problem. It would be prudent to delay further land development so as to allow the surrounding roadways to catch up. I'm also concerned about the population density and home values. We moved to a rural part of Knoxville for a reason, because it was rural, and not with the hope that it would someday soon be further developed and over populated. When will enough be enough? Just look at the development that has already (and is currently) taking place. Let's postpone rezoning for more development until, at least, the infrastructure/roadways have a chance to catch up. Thanks for your time.
11-C-20-RZ Ryan (37932), November 9, 2020 at 7:10 PM
The fact that a portion of this property had previously been rezoned to low density residential should have no bearing on the current rezoning request. This was 14 years ago and obviously a lot has changed since then with regards to the growth and infrastructure and planning. All of the surrounding properties in this area are agricultural or rural residential with densities at one house per acre up to 1 house per 20 or more acres. Approving this rezoning would be inconsistent and significantly effect the adjoining properties, not only in terms of land use but property value. Also, with a large development, all who live in the area will have their safety at our homes and on the road irreversibly changed.please deny this rezoning, this is not a good location for a large development.
11-D-20-RZ Marcie (37932), November 10, 2020 at 10:44 AM
I am highly discouraged to see the potential of rezoning from agricultural to residential. I live at the intersection of yarnell and Campbell station and my son attends Hardin Valley Elementary. We moved to Hardin Valley to actually SEE some green and you are allowing the filling of homes for tax dollars without the consideration of WHY people moved here in the first place. Campbell Station road is a disaster already and the schools are over filled and having to use pods. I sincerely hope before you look at the simple dollar amount you will consider how this effects all of us who live here. I live at 1521 Misty Valley Way and frequent Campbell station- i am appalled it is even being considered to add 200 homes and traffic to this already disastrous road. The Yarnell intersection is scary as it is. You need to catch up with infrastructure (roads and schools) before you add one more home to this place- it’s getting ridiculous.
I read with great concern regarding the proposed rezoning to allow 196 new home sites along north Campbell Station road. We have been here for 10 years and have seen multiple new subdivisions added with NO real road improvements which are desperately needed. It is obvious that the Developers involved have no concern for anything but profit.The traffic along this stretch of Campbell station is already beyond safe and this addition would push the situation further. If you were to travel this stretch of road, you could see that first hand. In addition the planned development density is out of proportion to surrounding properties and will lead to a decrease in property values and further lead to eroding of the country charm that led us to move here in the first place.
The neighbors feel that 3 d/u per acre would be more suitable for this property. There are several concerns about the lack of road infrastructure, although supposedly some is planned for the future, but that does not help the neighborhood now. Further, sidewalks should be required for this development.
Again, there is a lot of concern from the surrounding neighbors about building another subdivision in an area already facing traffic concerns, school overcrowding and flooding problems. A lot of this property is in the Hillside Protection area and the neighbors are concerning that grading will cause flooding problems on their property.
Concern about traffic patterns in an area that is highly congested is driving worries about this request. Please require special considerations for traffic for this Use on Review.
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Lisa November 10, 2020 at 11:21 AM
Please consider the concerns of the surrounding neighborhood when considering this request. If you do approve it, require the applicant to work closely with the neighborhood to help alleviate concerns.
11-C-20-RZ Mark (37920), November 10, 2020 at 11:25 AM
As I am sure the Commission is aware, the Hardin Valley area has become overwhelmed with new residents making the antiquated infrastructure a significant concern. Two new subdivisions within short distance on Campbell Station Road have just been constructed, this dumping more traffic on a two-lane winding road. The traffic through the Campell Station/Hardin Valley intersection has become quite congested as well as Campbell Station towards Farragut the ascends up a steep hill. Construction crews on these roads often funnel traffic into one lane causing longer delays. Emergency vehicles would be hindered at best and there are times these roads become impassible.
Traffic congestion is a significant issue and the accident rate is rising. These roads can be dangerous with the large increase in traffic with no changes planned. I would like to voice my objection to this rezoning until infrastructure changes can be planned.
My family urges you to deny the application for Rezoning (case #11-C-20-RZ) the Northwest County Sector Plan Amendment (case #11-A-20-SP) from agricultural to planned residential. View Attachment
My husband and I own a home in Campbell Creek off Campbell Station. We are adamantly OPPOSED to these new homes/neighborhood. There is no way Campbell Station can handle all these new cars and traffic. The road is already crumbling away. It’s narrow and already too busy as it is. Also, the school cannot support another 400+ children in its school system. Please do not allow this neighborhood.
11-SF-20-C Karin (37924), November 10, 2020 at 11:38 AM
I'm a homeowner on the affected side of Meadow Wells Drive, and I support the decision to eliminate sidewalks. Sidewalks on one side of the street are not that useful and are frequently blocked by parked vehicles anyway. They would cause considerable damage in construction. We're also participating with the City of Knoxville to have street trees installed in our easements, and eliminating sidewalks would allow us to get trees in on both sides of the street throughout the neighborhood, which will add much-needed shade and cooling--in my opinion, a far better solution to make our streets more pedestrian-friendly.
Thanks for your consideration.
10-D-20-RZ Kevin (37918), November 10, 2020 at 12:36 PM
The issue is that in the county, there is not a low-impact Commercial zone where you would want to have businesses opening up right next to your house. Think about a limited use zone that allows neighborhood services like a bakery, restaurant, bar, produce shop, hair salon, etc. A zone that, if the couple of parcels right next to you rezoned to this zone, most people wouldn't object too much too.
I'm thinking of a few neighborhoods in Denver that I've visited, where you walked to a neighborhood restaurant for dinner, or walked down the street to get an ice cream or a sweet after dinner. Those type of commercial developments are assets.
CN allows too many uses, and really requires larger parcels with larger setbacks. It's not what you want to plop in the middle of a neighborhood of single family residential.
KCPA encourages Planning Commission to consider the uses allowed in CN, potentially remove some of those uses, and also to consider a new zone that would be appropriate for placing in the middle of a suburban neighborhood. This would also give you a nice use pattern that could be used in Planned Residential, instead of the existing "SC" uses allowed in PR if you have enough lots / space.
I live in Halls off Emory Road. I heard there may be a substance abuse center going in the old Hospice building on Andersonville Pike. AMEN!! I am all for it! This community and city of Knoxville need this facility! I truly hope this project goes through!!
11-C-20-RZ John & Amelia November 10, 2020 at 2:43 PM
I am deeply concerned about the proposed rezoning of the above parcels. As a neighbor with a driveway next to 1737 N Campbell Station Rd, I am concerned by the increased traffic on N Campbell Station Rd, safety hazard created during our ingress and egress of the property by the increased traffic on the neighboring driveway, environmental impact of the proposed number of dwellings including contour and drainage impacts, impacts to trees and wildlife and other likely impacts. As such, I am opposed to this proposed rezoning. If the commission were to consider a rezoning plan, these parcels should only be rezoned at a minimum of 5 acres to each dwelling to minimize the significant impacts that would likely occur with the currently proposed number of dwellings.
11-D-20-RZ Charles (37932), November 10, 2020 at 2:44 PM
The Commission should reject the rezoning for this Subdivision. The infrastructure in Hardin Valley can’t stand any more traffic. People are going to be killed at the intersection of Yarnell Road and Campbell Station Road and at the intersection of Campbell Station Road and Hardin Valley Road. Mud will gush down the ridge onto Yarnell Road. Please don’t be irresponsible and approve this subdivision rezoning.
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Marisela November 10, 2020 at 3:13 PM
Please accept this letter as my firm OBJECTION to two current requests for rezoning. The first rezoning request is for vegetation (9-A-20-RZ) followed by a second request for Multi-family Residential rezoning (11-F-20-UR), both on the same property in the Karns area on Zion Lane, off Ball Rd. View Attachment
11-C-20-RZ Travis & Stacey (37932), November 10, 2020 at 3:16 PM
I’m writing in regard to to another proposed subdivision in the Hardin Valley area. I’ve been growing more and more concerned with the density of homes in the newer subdivisions that have been springing up over the past few years and now they’ve started to encroach on our small, wooded property where we lived since 2015. In addition to the impacts on privacy and the natural beauty still largely present in the area, traffic on N. Campbell Station & Yarnell will become even more problematic as the number of residents goes up at break neck pace. Please consider pumping the brakes on this new development that sits right in the middle of some beautiful countryside.
NO NO NO ..I live on Misty Valley Way off Yarnell Rd. There are already 2 new large subdivisions going up off Campbell station and the road has not been improved at all! and you want to add 196 houses? It is so dangerous driving from our house to Harding Valley road as is…and all those kids filling up the schools when they are already at capacity.. This so so crazy…It can not happen… Do not just think about money please think about the children, the traffic, the dangerous road…Commission members please drive down Campbell station towards Hardin Valley Road you will see it is NOT a good idea…
I am writing regarding a rezoning request for property near our home (cases # 11-C-20-RZ and # 11-A-20-SP). In looking into this it seems that the group interested in developing these lots are requesting a unit density that is 50% more than what the rural and hillside characteristics say should be permitted. Please mark me down as in opposition to the rezoning plan being submitted to the county. Thank you!
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Deborah (37931), November 10, 2020 at 7:26 PM
I live within about 300 ft from this site and have a 15 year old daughter who is at home by herself during school hours. I do not feel safe for my daughter to be here by herself with these men having close access to my house if they decide to get out. 12 men that are just out of prison or in drug rehab in this neighborhood is not very safe for us. I feel this will bring my property value down but I fear more for the safety of my daughter. I never received any information on this site I just happened to see what was happen on a Facebook page.
11-H-20-UR Shannon (37918), November 10, 2020 at 7:34 PM
My name is Shannon Welch and I am reaching out to you in reference to case number 11-H-20-UR. This is for a proposal by JourneyPure seeking approval for a recovery housing facility at 7447 Andersonville Pike, Knoxville, TN 37938. This building is located directly across the street from Halls Elementary School and is 0.6 miles from Halls Middle School and Halls High School. Attached is a comprehensive letter and support for why you should vote against this special use request.
I respectfully request that these concerns are considered and urge you to vote against this issue during the November 12th hearing. I have put together a petition on change.org to show you that the community does not agree with this proposed change of use and we have gathered over 200 signatures.
A link to the petition for your reference is: https://www.change.org/p/knox-county-planning-commission-support-drug-free-school-zones?recruiter=838710424&recruited_by_id=b3671c50-d5dc-11e7-9b67-07744718d7b3&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=petition_dashboard View Attachment
11-C-20-UR Trenton and Ashley November 10, 2020 at 11:09 PM
We are writing in regards to the referenced case concerning a potential duplex at 7009 Wright Rd. We live at 7004 Wright Rd directly across the street from the proposed property and have lived there for about 6 years. We have several concerns with this proposal which we will list in detail. See attached... View Attachment
Please see the attached petition regarding the JourneyPure proposal for the property located at 7447 Andersonville Pike, Knoxville, TN 37938. The community is again asking that this proposal be denied as we believe that there should be consideration of a different location for a facility such as this. It does not belong in a residential area or directly across the street from Halls Elementary School.
As you will see, there are over 200 signatures that have been gathered over the last week. Several people in the community had no idea this proposal was even pending. As this is my third email regarding this issue and I have not received a response from any of you, with the exception of Mr. Biggs, I assume the MPC meeting is still set for this Thursday, November 12th. I am asking for a response confirming this information, along with how to virtually attend that meeting. View Attachment
11-A-20-SP Misty (37932), November 11, 2020 at 7:18 AM
Please do not approve 196 unit subdivision on Campbell Station. Campbell Station Rd cannot handle an increase in cars. Just the other day there was a really bad wreck in that curve where the entrance of that subdivision would be. The schools are already overcrowded.
It’s come to my attention of another growth/rezoning plan for the Hardin Valley area where precious areas will potentially add another nearly 200 homes near the Catoga Kennels off Campbell Station rd. I humbly and respectfully ask this rezoning effort to cease and deny this proposal! Hardin Valley traffic is already ridiculous with 2 lane roads, and in most cases no turn lanes for safety. The school system is heavily populated and there are also a number of open houses on the market to continue to infiltrate this school system without having additional housing. This area is also in a potential flood zone and should be heavily reviewed for the amount of civil engineering this woodland would require for housing to be done properly. I ask for our elected commission to please stop, if at least, slow the growth/rezoning of this venture and future ventures so that our Hardin Valley infrastructure can catch up. These houses being placed tightly onto lots, cheaply made by developers also dilutes our Hardin Valley housing market. Thank you for your consideration to our concerns, we appreciate your time and attention to this specific matter.
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Chris (37931), November 11, 2020 at 8:52 AM
Deny 9-A-20-RZ and 11-F-20-UR Due to Adverse Impact to the Surrounding Community
If the Knox County Planning Commission listens to the voices of the Karns’ Community that live near Zion Lane, they will soundly reject outside influences of Angelic Ministries and Realtors to create an environment that will be detrimental to the safety and well-being of our families and future financial value of our homes.
Many of us attended the meeting held by Angelic Ministries at Grace Baptist to listen to their proposal to build a fenced in 24/7 monitored transitional “boarding house” for men. Let it be known that the only people that supported this rezoning proposal were: Angelic Ministries, Two realtors (one who has been stuck with the property for years and threatened to sell it to a dog breeder if we were not caring enough to support this facility, and also accused the neighborhood children of vandalizing the current Zion property), and one commission member who stated she was neutral and then said she thought it would be nice to have nice property with new landscaping (note that we found out that she was the “community leader” that proposed the new location of the meeting. She was not speaking for us as a community leader).
See my attached PDF for all reasons to deny this request. View Attachment
11-A-20-SP Jennifer (37932), November 11, 2020 at 11:20 AM
Attached please find our letter of opposition for case #11-A-20-SP and case #11-C-20-RZ. We have multiple concerns regarding this location and these specific parcels. Thank you for your consideration. View Attachment
11-C-20-RZ,11-A-20-RZ Regina November 11, 2020 at 11:32 AM
I implore you to exercise great caution in approving the rezoning of this land and to also rethink further construction out this way until the planning commission can form a better plan of action to address concerns that are already out of control. View Attachment
11-C-20-RZ John (37932), November 11, 2020 at 12:26 PM
I object to the further development of Campbell Station Rd in Knoxville at this time. This road is not designed to handle the additional traffic flow that it must for the current development. In addition, the surrounding roads cannot support the additional traffic without greatly impacting the current residents. Lastly, the Hardin Valley schools are already dealing with overcrowded situations. The addition of 100+ more families will only exacerbate this issue. I feel it is time for the county to deal with some of these outlying issues prior to allow these developers carte blanche to squeeze homes in where ever open land may be. They have no investment in the Hardin Valley environment after they've completed their builds and this is where we, the residents, need our local government officials to stand up for what's best for us.
11-C-20-RZ Jennifer (37932), November 11, 2020 at 12:28 PM
I object to the further development of Campbell Station Rd in Knoxville at this time. This road is not designed to handle the additional traffic flow that it must for the current development. In addition, the surrounding roads cannot support the additional traffic without greatly impacting the current residents. Lastly, the Hardin Valley schools are already dealing with overcrowded situations. The addition of 100+ more families will only exacerbate this issue. I feel it is time for the county to deal with some of these outlying issues prior to allow these developers carte blanche to squeeze homes in wherever open land may be. They have no investment in the Hardin Valley environment after they've completed their builds and this is where we, the residents, need our local government officials to stand up for what's best for us.
11-C-20-RZ,11-A-20-SP Davin November 11, 2020 at 1:00 PM
I am writing in regards to the planned rezoning of the above property.
First off, there is currently way to much traffic for Campbell Station Road, I have lived here for over 4 yrs and I see a wreck almost weekly on average, someone runs off the road or collides on Yarnel & Campbell intersection. Second, Part of the draw to the "Countryside" is quietness, traffic on Campbell station has already put that into peril, more traffic would just mean more noise. Third, The current school system is already overflowing, where would another 200 families think they are going to go? Fourth, the tree removal that will be required which does so much for our air filtering will be reduces, we will need more than mask to help us survive. Lastly, I enjoy turkeys, deer and other animals, and yes even coyotes roaming through my back yard, at the rate of growth, they will all be leaving.
11-c-20-rz,11-a-20-sp hjh514 November 11, 2020 at 1:26 PM
I have major concerns I am a neighbor on Yarnell road and hard and Valley school was meant to lift the overcrowded students at schools and it immediately was overcrowded. The morning traffic through there already is ridiculous and you're wanting to pile so many more kids into this school um why don't they build schools 1st before they start building up all these places.
11-C-20-RZ Daniel (37909), November 11, 2020 at 1:56 PM
As a Yarnell Road area resident for the past twenty years I strongly urge you to decline these aforementioned rezoning requests.
The Yarnell corridor and North Campbell Station are already over built with new neighborhoods, many which are still being built out as evidenced by traffic levels that exceed safety and current infrastructure capacities. We have experienced numerous traffic accidents, including several fatalities on both roads, where sight distances for existing road entrances and blind curves exist.
The Hardin Valley School district was overcrowded the day it came into existence and there seems to be no corrective measure ahead for that issue. Due to the hill and valley topography water drainage,as severe puddling and hydroplaning already exist as I have experienced that first hand on many occasions, very dangerous conditions on to be amplified by new construction, heavy truck presence and increased traffic volumes.
This area, known to us as Hines Valley, is extremely overbuilt given current infrastructure capacities. I simply cannot imagine putting this corridor under more stress with new zoning and construction.
11-E-20-RZ Kevin (37918), November 11, 2020 at 2:32 PM
It's a shame to lose a park in an area that doesn't have many parks. Located where there are many employers nearby, including Cisco Networks, Discovery Networks, this area provides a valuable after-work sports league recreational opportunity for workers, as well as nearby residents.
11-A-20-SP Carol (37932), November 11, 2020 at 2:36 PM
My husband and I are totally opposed to this proposal for Long Farm Way. Our valley continues to be over come by massive neighborhoods. The environmental impact to our creek, hills, and wildlife continues to be compromised, the schools are heavily overcrowded already. The roads continue to be carrying way too much traffic for the amount of homes being allowed to be built. We have lived here 18 years the traffic and creek have both been affected by building up excess homes and even homes being built on flood property built up higher to accommodate large amounts of housing to overrun our valley. The roads as they are are not safe for one more large housing development to come in this valley. We are sure you will take all these points and make the best decision for our County. Please consider not bringing in more money for peoples gain but, what is the right thing to do. Please Stop this from happening. We look forward to your reply as to the decision made.
11-F-20-RZ Kevin (37918), November 11, 2020 at 2:50 PM
Dear Commissioners, A common refrain in the county is that we have a lack of industrial and business park land. The requested parcels are generally level, located close to a major highway, and surrounded by industrial and business park land. Is the best use of this property the requested quarry, which destroys this land for future use? Or would it be to maintain the existing light industrial zoning designation, which could turn this into uses that would benefit the community for the long term? Sincerely, --Kevin
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Gregory November 11, 2020 at 3:41 PM
Please hear the complaint from the family living at 5927 Ball Road as we strongly request denial of the rezoning for the property on Zion Lane (9-A-20-RZ). While we think the work of rehabilitating men is excellent work, it would be irresponsible to perform that kind of work in an area where there are so many children living within a short walking distance and where these children are out every day waiting for their school buses and being dropped off from school at regular times daily. It also is completely inequitable that someone could develop a less than five-acre property that would devalue the hundreds of acres of residential properties around it. The area is a growing residential area, not a growing agricultural area. It also appears there is deception in the true use of the land that it would be used for agriculture when the actual plan is to rehabilitate and be a transitional home for troubled men. I understand that there would need to be a fence, cameras, and 24/7 on-site monitoring of these men because of their struggles. If there is reason to keep these men from getting out of the property, then it must be because they present a danger to the outside world around them. Please honor the opposing taxpaying residents around this relatively small property. Why should this relatively small property be allowed to cause a huge negative impact on all the properties around it? Granting this rezoning request would cause this area of Knox County to be seen as unsafe and undesirable.
Rehabilitation has its place in a healthy society, and it should also have its place safely away from a healthy residential area.
I was only retained this afternoon to assist Mr. Welch in his application for a Prior Zoning Equivalent for the Property located at 2613, 2615, and 2625 Greenway Dr. From my review of the application, the current zoning ordinance and map, the prior zoning ordinance and map, and staff’s recommendations, I would urge you to not follow staff’s recommendation in this instance and grant Mr. Welch the requested C-H-1 zone as it is the only comparable equivalent zone to what he had prior to the adoption of Recode. View Attachment
11-A-20-PD AARON (37938), November 11, 2020 at 4:41 PM
How have the crime rates near the homes and businesses immediately surrounding these transitional housing facilities changed after development and use? Over a three or five year period before and after beginning of operations, is there a measurable increase in reportable crimes and police calls to areas within 5 blocks of these facilities?
Please do all in your power to oppose the land use change from medicalfacility to recovery housing. Allowing a voluntary outpatient substanceabuse treatment center directly across the street from an elementary schoolis completely unacceptable. As a taxpayer, grandparent, community resident,and faithful voter I urge you prevent this.
9-a-20-rz,11-F-20-UR Andrea November 11, 2020 at 5:57 PM
After attending the community meeting with Angelic Ministries, I am more concerned than ever about mine and my children's safety. Not to mention the safety of the children who attend the daycare down the street from the proposed boarding house. While I understand the property value of the land where the proposed boarding house will be located will increase, the surrounding property values will decrease due to no one wanting to live so close to this type of facility. I strongly urge you to consider the safety and the peace of mind of all the families that live in the area when considering approving the rezoning that will allow the boarding house to be approved. Also, the process taken to get the the living quarters for previous criminals approved has not been transparent to the community it is going to affect. Many families were not aware of the plans for the boarding house or the meetings for the chance for the concerned families to voice their opinions. There are still people who are just now finding out about the proposal, which makes this process feel even more like it is lacking transparency. With this in mind I also feel that the setup for the online meeting for the approval of the rezoning also does not allow enough opportunity for the voices of the community to be heard.
9-a-20-rz,11-F-20-UR Ashton November 11, 2020 at 6:17 PM
I attended the community meeting about the proposal for the living quarters for previous prisoners. While I feel the idea of having a boarding house is a good idea, I do not feel comfortable with it existing less than a thousand feet away from my home. This is because I will not feel safe being outside or even in my home with a facility where previous criminals are so close to me. I love being outside in my yard and I fear I will no longer feel secure to do so anymore. I also feel that there was not enough transparency concerning the proposal for the boarding house and the meetings for myself and the community to voice our concerns and questions. This is concerning to me because having the rezoning and then boarding house approved will have a significant impact on the community. It is my hope that other options can be considered for this boarding house so myself and other families can have peace of mind while at home.
9-A-20-RZ,11-F-20-UR Logan November 11, 2020 at 6:36 PM
I have heard about the proposal for the living quarters for previous prisoners to be put off of ball road. Although I do think a boarding home is a good idea, having it that close to a residential area does not sound like a safe idea. My girlfriend and her family live extremely close to where this proposed boarding house will be. I feel as though they will not feel safe with previous convicts that close to her house. There are also other households in the area that are affected by this as well. I’m sure there is a place for this boarding house that is not so close to a residential area. I hope that other options will be considered.
9-a-20-rz,11-F-20-UR Michelle November 11, 2020 at 6:45 PM
I am emailing about not wanting this property to be turned into a rehab facility for those getting out of jail. I don't think it is good for our community. I feel that the property values in the area especially for those on Ball Road will go down and it is not safe for anyone living in the area especially since they are free to go come and go as they please.
I am writing in regards to the November 12 MPC meeting, agenda #20 11-D-20-SP and 11-l-20-RZ. I am asking that you deny Agenda Item #20 for 5 dwelling/acre and approve only 3 dwellings per acre. PLEASE set a precedence to builders for this area’s future development. View Attachment
dear commissionersour interest in this area w/minimum 3 acres per home, was to "get away". we decided moving to an area that is more expensive than where we were gives us some breathing room... "ahhhhhhhhhh".helps preserve our sanity... truly!
it was un-nerving to be so close to neighbors & hear sneezing, phone conversations, lawn mowerson top of us. we paid more... and the taxes are higher. but, as long as we can maintain our values,YOU all reap the revenue from the higher taxation.
you are the "fiduciaries" of our *home sweet homes* please consider minimizing the congestion.we need a buffer ! h e l l l l p p p !!!
9-a-20-rz,11-F-20-UR Amber November 11, 2020 at 8:30 PM
I am wanting to voice my concerns about case9-a-20-rz. First of all I donot feel that the community was properly addressed about the boardinghouse. Secondly I love spending time outside on my property and with theboarding house so close to my house I will not feel safe outside or even inmy house. However I feel that boarding houses are a good thing but it isjust not good for this location because it is too close to several peopleshome and not to mention the daycare. I feel that it is better suited for acommercial area.
11-A-20-SU Timothy (37920), November 12, 2020 at 9:14 AM
I own the property directly behind 3336 Sevier Ave and I am excited to hear about marble city sweets coming in this building. I do want to express concern for the guttering system that is need of repair and hanging off the back of the building. When it rains the water pours into my basement. Hopefully repairs can be made by the current owner or be a priority for the new owners.
I would like to state my support of the amendment proposed to Article III. Section 9.B to streamline discussion and debate on items, and to continue to allow consideration of all views, applicants will be required to provide comments first, followed by proponents, and then opponents. Commission may still grant time for rebuttal for anyone speaking on an item.
Both Hardin Valley Planning Advocates and the Knox County Planning Alliance have advocated for this change for many years and we are grateful to see this amendment considered. This will also align with processes requirements set forth in the county commission bylaws.
I am writing to you in support of 11-B-20-OB, specifically, the language which states:
Section 9.B.To streamline discussion and debate on items, and to continue to allow consideration of all views, applicants will be required to provide comments first, followed by proponents, and then opponents. Commission may still grant time for rebuttal for anyone speaking on an item.
It makes sense that the applicant would go first and state their reasons for requesting a change so that everyone understands the reasons for the request before speaking to it. It is only fair that the applicant should present their case first and allow the opposition to respond.
This would prevent subsequent speakers from wasting time addressing issues that may be satisfactorily brought up by the applicant and would allow both proponents and opponents to make relevant comments.
The applicant could still reserve time to rebut any oppositional points and would ensure that comments by others are relevant and timely.
I am writing you concerning the property located at 3336 Sevier Ave, file number 11-A-20-SU. I was going to attend the meeting today but found out today that you had to request to speak in advance. Unfortunately I missed the deadline.
I live two houses down from this property. I do have a concern about parking at this location. If vehicles park Parallel in the spots next to the road it obstructs the view to pull out of my driveway. I have almost gotten hit because I can’t clear see the on coming traffic clearly when vehicles are parked in that location.
With the increase in bicycle traffic on sevier ave it is very important that we are able to see to pull out onto sevier ave. There is already an issue with people speeding down Sevier Ave.
11-B-20-OB Kevin (37918), November 12, 2020 at 12:35 PM
Knox County Planning Alliance supports the proposed bylaw amendments. We support procedures to streamline the hearing and adoption of the Consent Agenda. We are also very supportive of the updated item hearing procedure. In our view, an applicant is making a REQUEST or application for an item, and they should present their vision and justification for why the request is appropriate and beneficial first. When the applicant is given the opportunity to "defer to opposition", this places opposition at a significant disadvantage because they have not heard the applicants' justification and vision. Then often "opposition" provides irrelevant testimony because they are in the dark about the applicants plans. KCPA believes that the applicant should go first, and then that allows any neutral or opposition viewpoints to specifically address the vision and justification provided by the applicant. We think this will result in more relevant discussion for commissioners.